Seeing as its Sunday, here's a question for those reading The Sovereign Individual. The book talks a lot about businesses and entities which can operate completely digitally, but it doesn't mention much about the flow of material goods between jurisdictions, or about location dependent organizations such as manufacturing and farming.

Will manufacturing and consuming of goods be more locally based than it is now with global shipping diminishing in scale due to the lack of nation state protection? Will the level of consumption go down in general? And when it comes to the manufacturing of crucial items such as semiconductors, will these operations be centralized to certain jurisdictions like it is now, or will fabs become widespread across the globe?

>it doesn't mention much about the flow of material goods between jurisdictions, or about location dependent organizations such as manufacturing and farming.

Yes it does.

I was thinking about 3D printing when reading that section

>So it is really ironic to see Bitcoin maximalists talk praise this book, not realizing the irony

Turns out I'm having a stroke, meant

>It is really ironic to see Bitcoin maximalists praise this book without realizing the fact that Monero is closer to financial technologies described in the book that Bitcoin ever was

>Will manufacturing and consuming of goods be more locally based than it is now with global shipping diminishing in scale due to the lack of nation state protection? Will the level of consumption go down in general? And when it comes to the manufacturing of crucial items such as semiconductors, will these operations be centralized to certain jurisdictions like it is now, or will fabs become widespread across the globe?

I think this connects quite aptly to this weeks chapter.

>This is more than merely a theory, [..] there is no essential reason that social services and many public goods must be provided by political means.

Currently, the status-quo is the USA army and in specific the Navy secures most of international commerce so that individual countries need not have a standing strong navy that ventures out from their own waters. There are two issues with this stemming from newer conditions. Firstly, alternative transport routes are widely used, such as "shipping" by airplanes or digital transmissions. Also with 3d printing becoming better I'd say it is perfectly reasonable to expect custom goods to be purchased either from a human or robotic designer and then have them printed and assembled locally.

Secondly, as citizens transform into customers (or at least the luckier ones) some might expect global physical protection services on their actives. Alternatively, it might not even be the national army that will provide that, but rather private firms as hinted by the above paragraph. Libertarian authors during the past century have done a great deal of demonstrating market-based solutions for "public" services.

What authors provide that to be honest it feels so dystopian if there isn't a goverment that controls basic services like water and security i mean i want globalization to dissapear and be excited to see a gameplay of nomad gangs but i don't think the world should devolve into some some form of anarchic violence just imagine if all the ships of the american army were privatized it sounds more dangerous

Thanks for the replies,

Yeah it seems that 3d printing would be a cornerstone of such a future, making it easier to produce goods locally to avoid the higher costs of shipping.

Imagine a manufacturing facility which could spit out basically anything you tell it to, only requiring raw materials and the most highly complex components to be shipped in.

Maybe that's a stretch, but still its easy to adopt a normalcy bias and forget that tech is rapidly advancing and outdating today's practices. Many things which seem normal and smart now will be laughably anachronistic in the future.

This is a fantasy.

No crypto can substitute fiat currencies for mass transactions in internal and global markets.

At best they can have their niche use (like Monero in DNMs) and that's it.

So no, there will be dissolution of nation states and other similar organizations.

there will be no* dissolution

Any books similar to The Sovereign Individual?

Anyone whos had a reptile pet will immediately realize how disgusting it is to be treated like an animal. Yea give me some egg cartons with crickets for me and my lizard. Maybe this is a jewish thing, theyre compared to lizards sometimes.

I was thinking about the next book we read, what do anons think about Wealth of Nations? Any other ideas? Something discussing different economic/monetary theories would be great

>I was thinking about the next book we read, what do anons think about Wealth of Nations?

I would say wealth of nations would be a heavy book.

>Any other ideas?

Democracy The God That Failed, by Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

We need to get rid of us from the stupid idea that is democracy.

It was funny to read that, but keep in mind that the concrete predictions do not really work as the authors have no idea what the technology of the future might be. A great example of this is how they envision digital cash as being backed by physical gold. Unbeknownst to them, digital scarcity would be first achieved with Bitcoin. And the list keeps going, 3d printing (including 3d printed firearms), internet centralization, problems with online identity verification, torrenting, whistleblowers all seem like trends that the authors simply couldn't have been aware of.

You might enjoy early chyperpunk writings as they have similar themes but with a clearly formulated ambition. The cyhperpunk manifesto is in the OP for starters, and their (at the time) very active mailing list has public archives

>https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki

I don't feel like an authoritative source on this, but I'm sure other anons can point to specific essays that are similar in nature or topics. Sadly, I don't know of any books existing.

>Wealth of Nations

Does seem too large to tackle in a simple weekly bookclub, plus it's a tad bit old so it doesn't have the most up-to-date ideas. What about "What Has Government Done to Our Money" by Murray N. Rothbard? It is relatively short (~112 pages in the pdf with a thin page width) and it does deal with monetary theory, (hyper)inflation, money, and the government's actions to the economy.

>plus it's a tad bit old

Old /= bad. Austrian economics is not a new idea and the people who came up with it really didn't leave much unsaid.

Fair point, I rather meant that his ideas are antiquated by newer ones, namely by Austrian Economics. But anyhow, it is still long and not the easiest to read in my opinion.

>Book club

I'm reading Permanent Record at the moment, I know Snowjob is a ziontrash shill so I won't recommend it specifically.

Another book on the surveillance state or future of it could be relevant to Monero thoughbeit